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I ended up ordering a large Ronstan mesh webbing bag from Reckord which fits nicely along the front of my traveller bar in front of the wheel binnacle. I have the option of screwing it into place but used the velcro strip because I need to get it out of the way if I ever need to operate the whale pump.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
Much thanks
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
I've been thinking about getting the rat's nest of genoa and spin sheets in my cockpit organized with line bags, but I can't find anyone who stocks them. Holland MP carried a sticky bag line that you could also screw into place, but this morning they told me they only have one left of the 12x12 (I wanted 2, for the front of the traveller bar) and that they item is discontinued. Anyone know who stocks these things? Otherwise I could get a local canvas maker to put some together.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
I'm looking for a 150 genoa for my Mk 1. I want one in good shape, not a formless bag (I have one of those already). I'll be furling it on a Harken 0 furler. Let me know if you have anything in your inventory that might fit the bill.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
You should talk to designer Steve Killing. He worked at C&C in the 70s (including on the 27) and has done some cutting edge stuff with electric propulsion in boats. He and his son Jonathan, an engineer who did solar car program at Queen's, are well versed in the realities of electric propulsion and solar charging. I have visions of going the same route when the day comes that the A4 dies. So far though it's unstoppable.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
I went ahead and ordered the kit from south shore and followed the instructions. I didn't apply any sealer at all, and so far they have withstood leakage admirably, but the sealant you used is good to know about. I also took the old plexi to a window company in Midland (Templeton) on the recommendation of a friend and they cut me two replacement windows for the main cabin at a grand total of $20 for labour and materials.
I have the rest of the gasket kit still in hand but decided to replace the small forward windows with Beckson opening ports, which has been an epic adventure all its own. A friend replaced the small windows in his C&C 30 with the Beckson ports. I discovered however that the new ports are deeper than the existing windows in the 27, and the frame also had to extend at the forward end into the radius between the cabin side and deck. Fortunately there is a lot of solid glass material in that radius. I used a dremel-style sanding tool to very carefully create a flat in the radius (along with a beveled flat on the Beckson outer ring) to get a proper fit. The port's vertical angle is probably max for the design, and a small amount of water gathers at the seal after a rain, but it has not leaked. I have done the port in the head and need time to tackle the same one in the hanging locker, which is going to require some mods to the locker carpentry in order for it to open properly.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
I have a double Spinlock tether (a short and a long) on my vest, and their latches have a locking mechanism. However, unlike the insanely annoying locking clip on a West marine harness I own (which my wife could NEVER undo), the locking mechanism on the spinlock is nicely and ergonomically designed. You basically flick down on the lock with your thumb while squeezing the clip open with your index finger. Yes the vest does have the cutter, but as you're suggesting they may be of limited usefulness. This concerns me because the Spinlock tethers are basically fixed to harness (by looping through the eyelet). If you're dangling over the side being dragged along and can't slice through the harness you're basically SOL. I'm considering modifying this with a snap shackle release like the one on the West marine harness.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
<img src="http://www.cc27association.com/photos/tetherhook.jpg">
Much thanks, Marcus. I look forward to seeing pics. Of the snap shackle arrangement, not the Frers incident of course. Although if you have those... <img src="emoticons/icon_smile.gif">
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
Thanks much for this. I invested in a Spinlock Deckvest last year with an integral harness. Not Cdn approved but the best piece of gear I could find in this category (and I wear it). I have approved PFDs on board to be legal. I've never done the manual inflate test, which obviously I should. It also has crotch/thigh straps that I've never used. I will now.
One safety issue that continues to bug me for singlehanding is how to drop the stern ladder from in the water. I'm sure I can solve this with more thinking, but wondering if anyone else has looked at this.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
Readers of Good Old Boat will want to take note of an article in the new (May) issue by Rob Mazza about a mast-raising (and lowering) system devised by Dan Klacko. I'm not sure how desperate I am to have a custom system for raising and lowering my mast singlehandedly, but there it is. If you were going south from the GL it wouldn't be a bad thing. I spoke with Dan after he bought this particular 27. I think it was an estate sale and it was absolutely crammed with gear in duplicate.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
Not specifically C&C, but there's a brand new historic map site for Toronto that includes some rather nice charts of the harbour, dating back to the 1790s.
Can't recall if this forum allows urls, but here's the one for the 1792 harbour plan.
In the event that this doesn't survive the forum, google search oldtorontomaps blogspot dot ca and have a browse.
http://oldtorontomaps.blogspot.ca/2013/01/1792-j-bouchette-plan-of-toronto-harbour.html
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
I've sailed on John Daniells' custom Killing 50, To Life, which was built to race, period. There's a lot of Garhauer on that boat and I don't recall any complaints.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
I was just talking the other day with someone who had his C&C 35 custom-converted from a fin to a bulb keel to reduce draft. He thought the boat actually pointed better. The one significant performance difference he noticed is that the boat tends to roll more downwind, even though the CG is essentially the same. The issue seems to be that the fin keel's surface area had a damping effect that discouraged rolling, compared to the shoal with bulb.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
thank you, good sir <img src="emoticons/icon_smile.gif">
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
If you want an endorsement of the general quality and appeal of the Corvette, consider this. The Corvette I raced on in the Hudson River (out of Nyack Boat Club) belonged to ex-C&C designer Rob Mazza. When Rob and his wife Za moved back to Canada recently, they brought their Corvette with them and moored it at Royal Hamilton. In a storm last fall she broke away from her mooring and was seriously damaged along the starboard side. The insurance company wanted to cut Rob a cheque and write her off. No way: he wanted the boat restored, and she was.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
All good things so far in the posts regarding the 27 vs the Corvette. I will only add that a couple years ago I did a club race on a friend's Corvette on the Hudson River and it really did feel like a smaller boat than my Mk 1 27. The narrower beam (as well as the cb trunk) has a big effect below decks and a lot of that additional length is in the long stern overhang. It's definitely a design from a different era. The upside is that like the 27 it has a lot of passionate owners, so you'd never lack for company.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
I recall years ago someone writing a parody column by Dr. Walker, who was renamed Dr. Talker. It recounted some race in which he prattled on with indecision worthy of Hamlet in every tactical situation, and some hapless crew continually yelling, "Tack now, Dr. Talker!"
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
Thanks for the encouragement. I have reacquired the rights for a couple books from my back catalogue and have been looking at reissue options for them that would include a combo of ebook and print-on-demand. Yacht Design Explained is a special case for Steve and me, as we really did want to update it in some fashion. (Nothing in it is wrong, but since 1998 there have been a number of developments in design, some of which Steve has been at leading edge of). We've simply had no time to do the illustration work required as well as to repaginate etc. Steve and I wrote and illustrated this book together and I did the design and page assembly.
I do think we'll probably issue it strictly as an electronic text with images. But not much is going to happen until steve is done with the latest America's Cup and we're both on the same continent.
thanks
Doug
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
$1,076 for a used copy???
For a flat $1,000 I'll come to your house and read it to you.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
Thanks, Admin. For the record, Steve and I did wrest the rights back for the book from WW Norton after they declined to print any more. Neither of us have had a spare moment to do the updating we'd want to in order to bring it out in a second edition. Maybe that'll happen after Steve finishes up with the NZ America's Cup challenge he's now working for and I finish with this reckless pursuit of a PhD.
Personally, I think the book should become an app...Or a board game...
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
I heard from Rob Ball on this as well. He helpfully points out that if the boat is already floating below the LWL (as the design dwgs indicate an average immersion of 1.5 inches deeper than LWL) then it would take more weight to immerse it an inch. (Because hull volume increases above the LWL, an inch of immersion equals more volume). Anyhow, Rob says a typical 27 would probably need about 560 pounds to immerse it one inch.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
Just heard from Steve Killing. He checked his files and says the magic number for pounds per inch of immersion for the 27 is...
532.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
I'm not persuaded Diva's red waterline stripes are 1971 originals, but whoever did them seemed to get the rule of thumb right, as I show about 2 inches of bottom paint when she's floating level.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
Immagonna wait till Rob gets back to me with a definite result before drawing a firm conclusion on the fatty/immersion ratio. I frankly thought the number would be higher than 500 lbs for a full inch of immersion, bow to stern, but then that's almost 10 percent of design displacement.
FWIW Rob also said that C&C usually "painted" the waterline stripe about 2 inches above the LWL.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca
Aaaand further to this, C&C design alumnus Rob Mazza says he'll have the answer for me Monday on how much crap you have to put aboard your 27 to sink it one inch.
Doug Hunter
Diva
C&C 27 Mk1
Midland Bay Sailing Club
www.douglashunter.ca