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I've got one of those Vetus models that you can orientate the inlet and outlet in various ways ... small existing platform coming off the cockpit floor 'brace', next to the stuffing box on the port side.
Do you really want to move that battery weight further aft? I didn't get to it this summer but I still plan to put my batteries under the aft dinette seat.
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
Fellow parting out a MkIII: http://kitchener.craigslist.ca/bpo/5187070515.html
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
I follow Moyer's recommendations and use MMO in the fuel only. It's available in Walmart in small bottles here in Victoria, but YMMV. Never seen it in a Canadian NAPA. A couple years ago when I drove down to the US I purchased several gallons of it from places like AutoZone and PepBoys. Probably have a lifetime supply now!
I'm just using regular SAE 30 oil. Make sure whatever you use that it is compatible with wet clutches.
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
Excellent ... thanks very much!
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
Still wondering on ....
.... cascading outhaul, internal to the boom. For those of you (David for example) that have written their installs in the Black Arts .... what size wire rope did you use and do you recall the size of the sheave that fits into the boom end?
Thanks
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
And another:
http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/boa/5033762053.html
1975 C&C 27 Mk III for $5500 with a 88 Universal M-15 diesel.
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
Sold!
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
Well at least also it opens the door for a new generation of sailors getting into a great boat at not too much $.
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
And another ... Mk II with fresh rebuilt Yanmar 1GM10, $8500:
http://victoria.craigslist.ca/boa/4961185448.html
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
None are mine, but if anyone is looking here are some recent ads:
75 MkIII with 88 Universal diesel, $5900: http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/boa/4948625956.html
71 MkI with 93 Yanmar 1000hrs, dodger, roller furling, genoa tracks,dinghy with 2013 4hp, $6500: http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/boa/4933769670.html
72 MkI with 89 Yanmar, 2006 North Sails, roller furling, genoa tracks, newer batteries, $6600: http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/boa/4914361865.html
There's also a newly listed 85 MkV at Thunderbird Yacht Sales in Sidney with outboard power, dodger, dinghy with OB, for $19,900: http://www.thunderbirdmarine.com/boat-info.php?ID=4197
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
Cygnet
North Saanich, BC
Bit of an update ... and another couple questions.
I did end up getting that used Garhauer rigid vang (for a good price). When I went to look at it initially the seller didn't have the blocks for it ... which dropped any offer I was going to make even further. He did, however, find the blocks. I discussed with Garhauer themselves, a nearby rigging shop that sells Garhauer stuff and the local rigger (who had done my new furler install last year) the application of this vang on the 27. Since it's rated for 27 to 44 ft boats I was still concerned it might be overkill. All my sources seemed to think it would work fine. My local rigger gave me the scoop on how to "massage" the mast and boom fittings to the smaller 27 spar sizes (basically a vice and hammer and pound on them!). Rigger also said that what they would do with the "external" sail track on the mast (part of the extrusion)is to grind it away in the area where the boom vang mast plate has to fit. Anyway, I have a friend locally who is a welder and spent years building in stainless for the marine industry here, so I'm going to pick his brain too. Garhauer also quoted me $80 US for new boom and mast brackets.
A question on another topic .... cascading outhaul, internal to the boom. For those of you (David for example) that have written their installs in the Black Arts .... what size wire rope did you use and do you recall the size of the sheave that fits into the boom end?
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
Paul I think I shall hang onto it, thanks.
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
I don't have the owner's manual handy or measurements from my replacement, but anyway distances will be different with the shorter (by 4ft) Mk1 mast. I suppose you can guess the difference if someone has them for the Mk3.
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
What do you all think of moving the main and genoa halyards to the mast along with winches? And rigging up a reefing hook at the gooseneck so the cunningham isn't used for reefing too.
So the remaining lines going aft and under the dodger would be vang, spinnaker halyard, cunningham, outhaul, spinnaker topping lift and downhaul. The only clutches would be spinnaker halyard and vang. The rest on cam cleats. Two 3-sheave deck organizers. I'd probably have to replace the old Barient 10's currently on the cabin top with new self tailing winches on the mast?
All reefing functions then are at the mast.
All sail raising functions at the mast (except spinnaker)
Less spaghetti in the cockpit.
I have an adjustable backstay so I can tension the forestay and the genoa furling line is already lead to the starboard side of the cockpit.
1979 C&C 27 MkIII, Hull No. 780
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North Saanich, BC
Another email sent.
You can use the usedvictoria.com listing for the furler and respond to the ad to get in touch.
http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/Harken-Roller-Furling_21795309
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Email sent
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The C&C 27 owners manual, provided when you join the Association, gives the main and genoa halyard lengths for a Mark 3 I believe (table is dated 1976) so ample for the Mark1. The yachtbraid portion is 3/8-inch diameter, so no need to go to 1/2-inch. Mine were redone in 3/8th Marlow.
North Saanich, B.C.
Well with an original forestay ... I'd look at replacing it.
Doyle sails in Nanoose would be the closest to you ... but don't forget UK Sails and Leitch & McBride down here in Sidney. Leitch & McBride did a real nice job on my genoa last year.
North Saanich, B.C.
A good idea on the repurpose, but I have a separate set already in use for that. Suppose I can always sell a set ... I'll hose them down 1st ;-)
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Do you need to have your headsails recut and converted from hank-on? If so it most likely gets easier as you wouldn't need to find any additional foil since lost 6-inches or so from damaged section could be accounted for in the sail. Also if your forestay is new(er) I think it could be shortened and new swaged eye installed since length is reduced to account for the drum and toggle.
See my ad on usedvictoria for pictures and more info.
North Saanich, B.C.
Actually the guys at Garhauer, when I spoke to them, had no concern that length or spring rate would be an issue. Just , as I thought, that certainly the mast and possibly boom plates would be too big. $80 for both, or $40 for just mast.
There are a couple other current Garhauer models that are less $. I could get a RV-6 (aluminum) for about $500 (CAN). A RV-18 would be about $540 (CAN).
Boomkicker would be about $300 for the K1000 model, which I assume would work. With that though, I'd still have to re-do the blocks to allow leading aft since right now there's a Harken fiddle with cam cleat at the mast ... and not a great setup for the attachment point to the mast / mast step. Garhauer would solve both.
I've heard the Spinlock rope clutches don't do as well as they perhaps should with UV deterioration.
North Saanich, B.C.
Amsteel sounds like an interesting idea.
A used Garhauer SV-20-1 rigid vang from about 2006 came up for sale locally. Originally mounted on a C&C 30. While the seller was originally asking for offers, he's now asking $400. To my mind that's a lot for a boomvang that originally was $250 to $300 and now is $630 (CAN) ... with a 10-yr warranty. And Garhauer says $80 (US) to make new boom and mast plates ... so with the exchange and shipping I bet I'd be within $100 of new. I was going to offer $150. Guy doesn't think it's a Garhauer even after I sent links and catalog pages etc ... but he doesn't know what it is either ... and thinks he paid $1200 for it in 2006! .... oh well ... rant over!
I did pick up, from someone else, a new set of Garhauer towable genoa cars for about $120 less than what I'd pay from Garhauer. So ... I'm starting to get organized!
What do you figure for rope clutches ... Spinlock ... Lewmar ... Garhauer ... Easylock?
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Still available.
North Saanich, B.C.
I also have a Raymarine Mk2 wheel drive. Just the drive unit and it too is brand new. $600.
North Saanich, B.C.
My C&C 27 MkIII has a double sheave at the masthead. Port side is the internal genoa halyard. Starboard side is empty. But would you not want an external block to get the halyard out and away from the forestay and genoa furler? ... on a spinnaker "block crane" attached to the masthead?
North Saanich, B.C.