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I have just purchased a 1984 C&C MK V that I plan to race and I am preparing to step the mast.
My rig does not seem to have the intermediate shrouds that the other two MK Vs in the club have; one is a 1984 like mine and the other is a 1985.
Were these an option?
Will this affect the performance?
How much variation is there between MK Vs and how does it affect the one design ratings?
What are the typical PHRF ratings on these boats, here they are rated at +/- 205 while the C&C 30 has a rating of 195 and the C&C 25 has a rating of 231.
Any information you can share would be appreciated.
Rob
Airborne ll
Vernon, BC
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Airborne ll MK V #520
Vernon Yacht Club, Vernon BC
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Hi Airborn, welcome. You didn't mention what your hull number is, but to your question about rigs. There was a bit of varriation in the early boats. for example at our club we have something like 8 or 9 Mark V's, only 6 race. Of the racers there are 3 different versions of the rigs. One of the boats #22 has a rig like yours with no intermediates. 4 of the boats have rigs with intermediates and of those the boats that were bult in the U.S. have a different mast section. Whether the rigs have intermediates or not doesn't appear to make a difference in preformance.
Here on Lake Ontario the Mark V's racing spinnaker have a PHRF rating of 180 spinnaker and 192 White Sail, by comparisson the Mark III's rate 189 Spinn and 201 W/S.
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working Mark V #75
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Is that a 180 PHRF with a 155% or a 130%?
Brent Driedger
S/V Wild Rover
C&C 27 MkV #15
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155 LP, can't imagine why anyone would atempt to race a Mark V with anything less, even my #2 is 145LP.
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Dang, I'm getting hosed here. On lake Winnipeg I'm rated at 177 which makes it all the more difficult to beat some of the experts in their MkIII's at 189.
By the way to Steve, thanks earlier for your input on headsails. I purchased a North 3DL medium 650S 153% and couldn't be happier. I have not raced it yet but the tune-up sessions have shown positively great and awe inspiring results.
Brent Driedger
S/V Wild Rover
C&C 27 MkV #15
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Brent:
You are getting hosed at 177 PHRF, it's nearly impossible for us at 180 to be the Mark III's at 189, I can't imagine being rated 177. Either you are gettng hit with a penalty or your PHRF Region needs to get an update in place. You should appeal that rating, unless as I say you are taking some sort of a 3 point penalty hit.
Why did you buy a 153? PHRF allows up to a 150%LP, your just adding more misary to an alreadt tough rating by loosing 2% on your largest Genoa.
Steve
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Call it inexperience with the rules or ignorance. I had at one time thought the LP number to shoot for was 155% as per page 8 of the constitution and rules. What am I missing.
Brent Driedger
S/V Wild Rover
C&C 27 MkV #15
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Brent:
It pays to carefully review posts before sending. My error in typing.
I meant to say 155% LP not 150.
My question to you why would you buy a 153 when you could have bought a 155, especially given that a 3DL or anyother mylar type sail will shrink over time and use, your starting out giving up 2% and it will only get smaller.
Steve
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Ah, that makes more sense. Again for me call it inexperience and ignorance. I'm shooting on the fact that our lake is notoriously windy and perhaps 2% less sail will mean the difference between keeping the big one flying and switching to my working jib which at 90% really whacks me when the wind is only a little too strong. After 25 knots app. I have to downsize and watch as those with a 130% sail past. Maybe I'll have some boat bucks for one by next year.
Brent Driedger
S/V Wild Rover
C&C 27 MkV #15
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buy a kevlar 140% #2. Use it in 14 to 18 knots with a full main, and in 18 to 22 with a reef.
put on backstay tension until you are scared the mast will break
flatten the main to the max, and play the traveller in the puffs
You'll be the fastest boat on the lake
DT
hull 69
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Couldn,t agree more with Jim, the boat will balance really well and go like stink.
Steve
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The PHRF for a Mark V with a 150 and a crew weight of 1020 is rated as 174 by YRALIS (long island sound). we race with 3 -under 720- and a 135 genoa and rate 186. My jib is dacron and built in 2002. winds here are typically in the 7 to 12 kt range in the evening when we do not use spinnakers. In my division, I do sail approx. to my PHRF. If I had a new jib, I would surely sail to my PHRF relative to the leading boats that I compete with-a cal 28, a tartan 34, an irwin 32. Right now, I cannot quite keep up with the cal which has a nice mylar 150 and the irwin which is sailed really well.
So down here, our numbers are too low compared to what the other guys have posted on this site, but I am guessing that the other boats down here are similarly low so it all comes out in the wash. copasetic
Well the good news is I'm now racing at 180 PHRF. I had some discussions with our chief rater and with my input (being race officer) we decided to make a few changes. In the long run it really makes no difference. This all started because we have some C&C 29 Mk1's here that race in our division 2 at 177 and above. Seem they were not competitive against the sonars and Tartan 10's that dominate division 1 so we took them over at 177 and raised the ratings on the remaining div. 2 boats by 3 seconds. As a result my edge against the others stays the same but my corrected time improves slightly. Maybe I can still negotiate an improvement with my 2% smaller sail. I have one race under my belt now with the kevlar 153% and I'm very impressed with it. It trims out well, the boat is balanced and heel has been reduced so naturally I'm pointing a little higher!
Brent Driedger
S/V Wild Rover
C&C 27 MkV #15
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Hi Steve
Thaks for your reply.
My hull number is CCY27520M84K I am guessing this means hull 52?
As you guessed the intermediates make little difference as we are very close to the other MK 5's.
PHRF ratings seem to be relative to an area, we were assigned 204 which is the same as one of the 27's. The other is 203 (must have a slightly larger headsail) but close enough not to make a difference! In our first regatta (OK Charity Regatta) we managed a 4th out of 7 boats in our division!
I am goiing to enjoy this boat.
RobAirborne ll
Vernon, BC
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Airborne ll MK V #520
Vernon Yacht Club, Vernon BC
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153%Airborne ll
Vernon, BC
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Airborne ll MK V #520
Vernon Yacht Club, Vernon BC
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Hi Brent,
I was reviewing this post and noticed you were sailing a 3DL.
Do you run this on a furler and if so, have you had any issues?
RobRob Ladan _/)
Airborne ll MK V #520
Vernon Yacht Club, Vernon BC
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I run the 3DL on a foil. It's been a fantastic sail so far but my foil extrusion needs replacing...
Brent Driedger
S/V Wild Rover
C&C 27 MkV #15
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Thanks for your reply Brett.
I was asking because I run my 3DL on a furler and I find the leach has a curl in light airs. The sailmaker suggested alternating the direction of the furler every once in a while until the sail settles down. We are going to try that this season.
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Airborne ll MK V #520
Vernon Yacht Club, Vernon BC
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