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I have noticed that some authorities make no distinction in changes other than the hull. Under that model there are only three c&c 27s. The first include the "short" waterlined marks one and two, the "long" waterline marks three and four, and the completly redesigned mark five. Right now I can not remember where I noticed this model.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Clare and Michael,
Care to update us on the insulation? Have you noted any long term issues with the pour in method?
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Welcome Martin,
The original icebox pump was mounted to the bottom of the shelf under the sink on my MKII. After purchasing a Tempo to replace it (about $25), I opted for a simple plastic bucket in the icebox. The stock ice box has no insulation and ice melts too fast to make it meaningful for any length of time. There are a number of threads discussing fixes for the insulation problem. The advantage of the bucket is that items you really want to keep cold go in the bucket with the ice and the things that need to cool stay outside. After a day's sail just empty the bucket overboard. The only water in the ice box will be from the few pieces of ice that spill out when heeled and condensation. This is easily cleaned up by a towel and no stinky ice box.
Wind Horse came with all of the amenities of a 1974 sailboat. Hank on sails, no holding tank, alcohol stove, etc. Focusing first on plumbing, rewiring, engine maintenance, lines and all of those safety fixes that an old boat might need, gave me time to consider some of the other changes envisioned for the boat. (Even though I sail single handed I am beginning to question if I want the bother of roller furling.)
There are some outstanding modifications documented on this site. Best of luck with the changes you decide to make.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
I have whale foot pumps and also a hand sink pump in the head. The priming is not a problem for either. The only thing I can say I dislike about the whale is that I have kicked and broken two of them in the head so far Since they are below the watertank they will siphon out all of the fresh water before you know it. The hand pump is still in place four years later.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
I like it.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Despite my telling them to go away, twice, they are still being caught in my spam traps. It is time to develop some Flemming-esque counter.
As an aside, I love the story that after a heart attack, Flemming was told to read childrens books. In response to the poor quality of what he found he wrote Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
Enjoy the water friends. It is 102 here and the wind it 5 knots at best.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
I have a simple cotton canvas cover for the turtle that is nothing more than a square sheet with grommets. It overhangs about four inches into the cockpit and ties to the halyard cleats. It did a good job of keeping the weather out during Ike.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Sylvian,
Drop me an email at: sv wind horse at yaho...
What is your location?
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
I still have two sitting high and dry in my garage.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
I never considered the association as being related to the problem. You guys run a tight ship. Since Aurora were located in Ontario it seemed that Ontario sailors might be familiar with the name.
It is uncommon getting hit on this email address, though. Being in and out of IT for the better part of two decades, I'm a pretty savvy citizen of internet world. Most of my spam comes into one or two email accounts I set up for untrusworthy contacts. Still I do pass this one out to merchants from time to time. No telling how it got into the wild.
As for the bilge on Wind Horse, I think it's only slightly less clean than the water tank. (I won't drink from either but neither smell or have anything visible growing in them.) I think I'll just unsubscribe.
As always, thanks
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Has anyone ever heard of the Aurora Marine Club? I received an email notice ouot of the blue that I was a member. The site looks legit, but I have not logged in. They have an Ontario mailing address.
thanks
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Google "c&c 27 mast raising" and the first hit will be a Trevor Boicey's page on the subject. It has photos and a commentary. The hardest part of the project seems may be finding an idyllic cove on a cold northern lake to serve as a back drop for the operation. Seriously, it does look pretty straight forward. In raising the mast on my old catalina the biggest problem was making sure the turnbuckles were aligned correctly as the mast went up. Best of luck... and if you are a British Sports car fan the rest of Trevor's page is a hoot.
I wonder if Trevor would donate the page for the black arts section.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
[Trevor's page is fine where it is (if it ain't broke, don't fix it), until such time as he decides he's lost interest in it -- then we'd like to host it. But in the meantime, it's a gateway to his Brit car pages, which having grown up with various English cars (the first car I remember was a Riley saloon, a lethal piece of machinery that Dad said never ran properly under 70mph), I think a hoot. There will shortly be a link in Black Arts. - Admin]
Todd,
It turns out that the big Boaters Flea Market is this weekend in Kemah. Send me an note at sv wind horse at yahoo com if you are interested in the part (or whole pump) if I find one. Remember to consider shipping, but it should be cheap. The last time I bought a manual bilge pump there, it was about $20 and I picked up a small bruce for $15. On this other hand some people are entirely too proud of their stuff and expect an arm and a leg.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Todd,
Agreed, the best place to start is here. If you don't find the part right away something may still turn up in time. I have not been to a flea ( or the resale shop here in Clear Lake) since the hurricane, but I suspect that there may be some interesting stuff salvaged off of the boats. I'll keep an eye open.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
There is a whole pump on ebay for $50 (plus another $25 shipping). It is in buffalo.
I've found them at the flea markets here on the coast for next to nothing. It may just be a matter of shopping.
search ebay for "whale gusher 10 mkii"
best
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Tim,
Sorry it took me so long to respond. There is just a simple bolt through the opening for the crank that keeps it from turning. Mine also holds the reefing hook. Let me know and I can send you a photo or two.
Charles,
On the oval boom models there is a vang rig that consists of two shaped metal panels with lips along one edge. These are joined by webbing that has a ring on it. To set it up, hang the lips in the sail track half way down the boom, then hook the vang to the ring. Obviously this system will not work with the sail reefed on the roller boom.
Had a great sail yesterday. The winds were twenty knots on the bay and we kept a 110 and single reefed main. A little choppy but a lot of fun.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
That is one ambitious cabinet. Good work.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Tim,
I have the oval boom as well and the previous owner had placed a bolt through the socket where the furler handle goes. There as still some movement, but not much. Of course that idea would not work if you were still using the furling boom, but I am assuming that you are not. I'll take a look this weekend and let you know the exact setup.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Which boom do you have, the big round one, or the narrow oval one?
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
You are welcome. Good idea, going with the roller furling first. One is on my short list. Of course a good autopilot goes a long way to making solo headsail changes easier. Raytheon may not like the idea, but often I end up using the tried and true 'Bungie Pilot' ala Larry Pardee. I have to be going the same direction for a long time before I mess with the AP.
You may want to start a new thread on the roller furling just in case someone in the know is not following this one. I'm not familiar with that particular unit, but I've always had good results with Harken equipment.
regards
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Pegasus,
Glad to hear they are working out. That is one of the best things about the forum is all the parts.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-indent: 0.5in;"> First apologies to Marco on Midnight Flyer. I recalled his name off the top of my head and should have refreshed my memory.
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-indent: 0.5in;">I keep a group 24 (starting) and a group 27 (house) on my boat and have never ran out of power. I use a 6 watt Sieman’s panel to keep the batteries fresh and it does too good of a job because, if I am not careful, it cooks them despite the charge controller.
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Almost two years ago I quit working with the intent of going sailing in the Bahamas or going back to school. School won. But I had done some of this same research. For a time I considered putting a below deck autopilot that I could steer with a remote control. Price killed that plan, but I still think it was a good one under the right circumstances. One thing to consider when calculating your energy budget with either solar or wind or both it the weight aloft. The 27 is a really light boat and having two big solar panels on the bimini and a wind generator might really change the way she handles. I ended up keeping my 6 watt and bought a Honda EU1000 generator which is tiny, quiet and will run my AC if needed. One last thought is that the MKI is a little heavier on the helm than the later boats. I have overwhelmed my Autohelm 800, but the wind was gusting to about 30 knots and I had too much sail up. One real benefit to the Autohelm idea is redundancy. When I replace my 800 with a new 1000 I’m going to keep it as a spare.
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">All the best....
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Here are some emails that Marco and I exchanged:
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Marco’s text below...
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;">Wow! The Bahama's! You are making me crazy...
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;">Anyway, I have a windvane from Windpilot (<a href="http://www.windpilot.com/">http://www.windpilot.com/</a>) and my experiences are very good, except for moderate winds from the back ... It works, but you need to tweak it more often. But in general my experiences are very good!
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;">The owners of Windpilot.com are very nice and experienced and can help you out with all your questions. They even wrote a free book about windvanes (not just their brand, but a general book). It should be downloadable from their website, otherwise I can get you a copy.
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;">On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Mike M wrote:
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;">> I'm guessing the you have the "Pacific" on Midnight Flyer.
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;">Yep, that's right. Although I think the Pacific Light would also work for me. But we'd better be on the safe side, huh? :-)
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;">Cheers,
<p class="null" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;">Marco
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Have you considered an autohelm tiller pilot? Also Marcus on Midnight Flyer reported good results with his windvane a few years ago.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
David,
That rig and its varients are all too common down here. The popular fix on the "economy live aboard docks" is to use blue board foam insulation for the box. One fellow, an engineer no less, built a complex cabinet for a Columbia 26 that must have weighed over 100lbs. After looking at those set-ups, my thoughts were it had to be light, cheap, very small, actually work, and not delay leaving the dock more than a few minutes. My biggest gripe is that I have to string the shore power cable everytime I want to use it, so unless it is really hot and still, I continue to use a windscoop.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-indent: 0.5in;">Reelez,
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-indent: 0.5in;"> There is a MKIII, Stars and Stripes, that has a small built in unit fitted in the bottom of the hanging locker that will make the boat meat locker cold even on the hottest days.
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-indent: 0.5in;">Wind Horse came with a Cruisair portable. The units are bulky and designed for the big Catalina style hatches. To use mine, I had to pull it up vertically though the companionway with a tackle and then wrestle it along the side decks. I sold it for $250 and bought a tiny 5000 BTU Samsung for $80 at a local department store. In use, the Samsung sits on a small plywood and scrap platform I made that allows it to sit over the hatch without rocking. The hatch drops down on the top of the unit and the open sides are filled in with a hood, ala the Cruisair, made from canvas left over from making a deck shade. Two Velcro strips sewn inside of the hood allow a baffle to be inserted to direct air toward the cabin. The fist hood I made was a little too small. The next one will be quilted for insulation.
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-indent: 0.5in;">A webbing harness with a handle and anchored with one of the housing screws puts a lifting point over the compressor and makes lifting the unit through the forward hatch easy. It is small and sits on the floor of the v-berth while underway. Best of all, it will run on a Honda EU1000 generator so you can have AC while at anchor.
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; text-indent: 0.5in;">This system is not as cold as the built in unit on Stars and Stripes, but it takes the edge off of the Gulf Coast summers and makes sleeping easier. I may have some construction photos if you want to see them.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
[A few pics of the salient details sound like a nice addition to the Various Projects page. - Admin]