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#101 General discussion » C&C "smile" » 2007-03-16 06:18:12

KenPole
Replies: 2

I've received a variety of responses to my questions about fixing the infamous C&C smile, the crack/gap which can open up at the leading edge of the hull-keel joint on Marks I-IV. One school of thought suggests routing out the crack and filling with various sealants, ranging from Sikkaflex and the like to 3M 5200. At the other end of the spectrum, it's been suggested that the hull be taken down to gelcoat and the keel to bare metal and then the whole joint glassed over, faired, etc., never to move again. Some research has indicated that the latter won't be as monolothic as one would prefer without many layers of glass. Yet another mooted option involves bracing the keel, removing the nuts from the keelbolts and jacking up the hull so as to facilitate cleaning/smoothing of the joint before using sealant or glassing over the joint. Accordingly, I'm appreciate a sampling of responses from other skippers about which option they chose and, where appropriate, which sealant. Thanks in advance.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#102 Re: General discussion » shaft diameter , mkll » 2007-03-14 00:43:21

Shaft from my A-4 is 7/8.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#103 Re: General discussion » #1 Genoa for Sale - Mark 1 Tall Mast/Mark 3 » 2007-02-15 01:00:13

Manual for my Harken 0 shows No. 6 (6/32" or 5mm) luff tape.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#104 Re: General discussion » Are C&C decks more prone to delamination? » 2007-01-23 01:52:58

Courtesy of Darrell Nicholson, editor of Practical Sailor, here's an observation from his editorial in the upcoming February issue:

"Few cored decks past their second decade are without some problem areas. Sound with a plastic mallet for soft spots and delamination at all deck penetrations, particularly near hardware, hatches, and chainplates. Beware that the extent of the damage may be far greater than what even a trained surveyor suspects."


Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#105 Re: General discussion » What are these boats selling for? » 2007-01-14 01:38:12

Prices mostly range from teens to high 20s, depending on Mark, condition, equipment. A III did sell on eBay last year for about $3,000 but it needed a huge amount of work. Diesel v. gas (Atomic 4) is a matter of personal preference but you can expect to spend several thousand more for a diesel-powered boat. Note that the only difference between a late III and a IV (not many of the latter were built) is that the forestay was moved about four inches back from the stem to accommodate an anchor roller. Check out http://www.boatforsale.net. Happy hunting.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#106 Re: General discussion » Prop Strut - MK III » 2007-01-12 01:59:18

Further on Bayview Propellor. Proprieter Dennis Johnston confirms that their website is down and that they're looking for a new ISP. Meanwhile, if you have no luck locally, their e-mail address and phone number in the earlier message are current. Johnston says they can repair, replace (if they have an old one) or recast. Over to you -- and, again, good luck.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#107 Re: General discussion » Prop Strut - MK III » 2007-01-11 12:37:27

As Administrator Dave has pointed out, the URL for Bayview Propellor isn't working. I know, I know, I should have checked it before forwarding it. However, it is as printed in CY so will follow up by phone tomorrow and advise. Cheers.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#108 Re: General discussion » Prop Strut - MK III » 2007-01-11 04:02:14

The current issue (February) Canadian Yachting has a display ad for Bayview Propellor Repair in Woodview, Ontario. It indicates that they do strut repair/replacement. They're at <A href="http://www.bayviewpropellor.ca">http://www.bayviewpropellor.ca</A>, e-mail <A href="mailto:bayview.propellor@sympatico.ca">bayview.propellor@sympatico.ca</A> or phone (705) 654-4409. I'd appreciate, as others probably would, knowing how you resolve the problem. Good luck.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#109 Re: General discussion » Mainsail Outhaul » 2006-11-28 07:28:30

Gord, Adam et al: Check out Black Arts.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#110 Re: General discussion » Mainsail Outhaul » 2006-11-19 23:27:41

I'll offer it to DW -- likely next week once I've cleaned up some of my metal work.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#111 Re: General discussion » Mainsail Outhaul » 2006-11-17 05:37:59

Adam: does your MkIII have the elliptical-section boom or the rectangular one like David's MkIV? If the former, I'm currently installing a cascading 4:1 internal outhaul in my elliptical boom and would be happy to send you pix as well as a source for useful diagrams.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#112 Re: General discussion » Bimini for MK1 » 2006-11-04 12:58:27

Don't know where you're based, but if in Canada you should give Genco a call; they have patterns for many boats and may have a solution. Their site is <A href="http://www.gencomarine.com">http://www.gencomarine.com</A>. Good luck.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#113 Re: General discussion » Interior flooring » 2006-10-26 06:09:27

Some purists might sniff but you should seriously check out the faux teak-and-holly at <A href="http://www.lonsealspecialty.com">http://www.lonsealspecialty.com</A>. Seven of us have pooled our resources to buy a roll of the stuff with a view to installing it on our gel-coated cabin soles. Buying it in a 60-foot roll reduces the cost to US$30 a square yard, which means a C&C27 installation, including shipping and PST/GST, is about CAD200, exclusive of epoxy adhesive and edge sealant. No wood and virtually no loss of the already limited head room!
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#114 Re: General discussion » Brushes » 2006-09-20 01:57:51

You could say, Mike, that you've have an epiphany! Seriously, I'd like to know how the finish holds up down there where the UV loading is much longer-term and persistent than up here. Haulout is only six weeks away for us!
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#115 General discussion » Rudder sensor » 2006-09-02 09:08:31

KenPole
Replies: 2

I gather from several more knowledgeable friends that a rudder sensor would optimize my Raymarine/Autohelm 4000 wheelpilot, an opinion corroborated by Raymarine literature. That said, has anyone installed one in a 27? If so, I'd appreciate some advice, principally how it is attached to the quadrant, especially in such a tight space. Thanks in advance.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#116 Re: General discussion » Indigo Propeller - Any experience » 2006-08-28 07:21:59

Cutless bearing is the rubber lining of the shaft strut. It's an out-of-the-water job and if done while things are still wet shouldn't be much of a problem. If yours hasn't been done to your knowledge, I think you'll find it worthwhile to replace it. Maybe others have some thoughts on this. Check the subject list.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#117 Re: General discussion » Indigo Propeller - Any experience » 2006-08-27 04:14:22

There was a very slight increase in vibration, i.e. a "beat" felt mainly through the wheel, but I think it's simply the result of having an "extra" blade on the shift. Did you check the condition of your cutless bearing when you replaced the prop? That might be the source of your "strong" vibration rather than a misalignment, which likely would have been evident with the original two-blader. Good luck. Keep me/us posted.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

[Additional blades are usually considered to run smoother - three-blades should produce less vibration than a two-blade, not more. If the power train was smooth-running with a 2-blade and became rough with three, suspect the prop (one blade at a different pitch or circumference, damaged edge, etc). Beyond that, there are a number of possible causes for vibration under power including (in order of probability) mis-alignment of engine and shaft, worn cutless bearing and/or shaft and unstraight shaft. Any of the causes noted above is likely to be a 'pre-existiing' condition (what's a post-existing condition - and if it doesn't exist, why do we need 'pre-existing'?), caused over time and unlikely to show up suddenly unless the change of prop has exacerbated it.- Admin]

#118 Re: General discussion » Brushes » 2006-08-14 04:36:06

Further to my earlier response, here's Practical Sailor's verbatim advice in the August 2006 issue in response to a question about varnishing:
"It’s 90 percent surface preparation and cleanliness.
"The varnish work will be only as good as the surface to which it’s applied. If you don’t like the looks of the surface when you’re through sanding (with perhaps several grits), varnish won’t help it. If you go for an electric sander, get a random orbit model; they’re much better than conventional sanders. There’ll still be lots of hand sanding, and for some of that, use a rubber block. If you don’t mind aged and darkened varnish, just smooth the surface—don’t cut through the old varnish—and give it some "tooth" to make the varnish adhere. Pay attention to joints, corners, and edges. That’s where varnish often fails. If you start stripping part of the varnish (taking it down to lighter, new wood), you’ll probably wind up stripping all of it. However, you needn’t do it all at once.
"Finally, for cleanliness, use a tank vacuum cleaner with a long-bristled brush, and be meticulous. Then rub over the surface with a bare hand to pick up any fine dust. We’ve found this works better than a tack cloth.
"Varnish in a protected area, if possible. If outdoors, do it early on a dead calm morning before the dust gets kicked up. The type of brush doesn’t matter much; the only advantage of an expensive badger hair brush is that it carries more varnish and makes spreading a little easier.
"If the job isn’t as perfect as you like, start all over: Lightly sand and brush on another coat."

Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#119 Re: General discussion » Brushes » 2006-08-05 07:37:57

The pros (and your varnish supplier) have a vested interest in saying "buy the best brushes" but the amateur consensus, which is in line with what I found, is that the foam applicators do a nice job if you take your time. Good luck.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#120 Re: General discussion » Brushes » 2006-08-05 00:50:32

This may be more than you were asking for, but here's what I gleaned from a number of friends and websites:
1. Always work at the recommended temperatures and use a tack cloth before varnishing and work in a dust-free environment; some people even resort to laundered coveralls and a shower cap to keep body detritus (druff, etc.) off the finish.
2. Strain the varnish (even Epifanes, which I have used to good effect) through disposable sieves available from any paint store.
3. While it's often recommended that you buy the best brushes you can afford, many folk opt for disposable foam applicators which, since you toss them after each use, means there's no retained residue to worry about.
4. Use a new tack cloth before the finishing coats.
5. The adage "patience is a virtue" is worth heeding when applying varnish.

Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#121 Re: General discussion » Cockpit Drains » 2006-08-04 06:45:22

Have just replaced cockpit drain hoses, rebedded the plastic drain fittings and replaced the plywood backing blocks. I purchased top quality hose (2 inch O.D, 1.5 inch I.D.) from a local truck supply shop; it's USCG, etc. approved and was priced, gulp, by the inch. That said, as has been observed already, even expensive hose is cheap insurance. Unlike David, I didn't have to hacksaw mine at the midpoint; they were so far gone that I was able to crush them by hand so I must have been a very short time away from having one of Ottawa's major summer monsoons put a lot of water on the wrong side of the hull!! That said, it was an easy job.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#122 Re: General discussion » Shoal draft keel » 2006-07-17 02:14:24

The advent of the Mark III saw an increase in draft to 4.46 feet from the 4.25 feet that prevailed on the Marks I and II. It was coupled with a shift forward in the thickest part of the chord in a bid to reduce stalling. The additional two and a half inches of draft was carried through to the Mark IV. To my knowledge, C&C never produced a "shoal draft" version of the Mark III. It's easy enough to confirm with the boat out of the water. If somebody has sliced off a piece of keel to reduce the draft, don't walk away from the boat. Run! That said, I think the discrepancy could be simply a misunderstanding by the current owner or broker. Good luck -- and, obviously, if you do buy her, don't forget to take out an association membership!
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#123 Re: General discussion » Atomic IV Impeller » 2006-06-23 12:11:31

<A href="http://www.moyermarine.com">http://www.moyermarine.com</A>

Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#124 Re: General discussion » Spinnaker Pole for Mark 3 » 2006-06-01 23:35:20

Hi Mike. Presume you've tried Ridalco (used to be Rideau Aluminum Co.) on Michael St (parallel to St. Laurent off Belfast). They carry a broad range of tubular stock and if they don't have the right size, they'll perhaps point you in the right direction. Good luck.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

#125 Re: General discussion » Mast steps » 2006-05-30 07:22:24

Sounds fair. Postal address? MIne is:

1950 Highridge Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario K1H 5H3
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa

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