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Thanks Steve. that's what I hoped to hear. In the few times I sailed "Smoke" after bringing her to Bronte I had the sheets tied to the RF genoa clew with a bowline, so that was a good ( and safe ) guess.
Snap shackles come in a dozen shapes and sizes, and most of the good ones start at 2500 lbs stress before deformation. Does that sound OK for the sudden SNAP as the spin starts to draw in a strong breeze, or more than is needed? I can't find any real number for this load, but an Etchell's spin is comparable to ours, and they survive with sister clips which have far lower numbers as their "tensile strength". The sister clip also has the advantage of lower weight in a light breeze.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
How do you prefer to join the headsail ( and spin ) clew(s) to the sheets? I'm from a class that uses sister clips.......light, simple and fast to use. but the Etchell's foresail is a blade. Perhaps those are not strong enough for our large ( 155%) genoas? And ease when changing sails becomes important.
I need your ideas please.
Thanks
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Mike, I'm just back from a quick mountain climbing trip to OK, reached the highest point in the State ( top level of U.S. 75/ U.S.64 3 level interchange in Tulsa ), and saw your frozen steer.
Nice OKie riding by said it used to be on top of a 100 foot black pole outside the tack shop 20 miles North of McAlester, OK., but some of the boys had pumped it full of lead one night, mistaking it for a possum, and the weight had toppled it into a passing pick-up, which in turn had rolled off the interchange leaving that 10 foot plastic steer in the bathtub. Then winter came.....
Those OKie boys really know how to have some fun.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
I have family in Tulsa, OK. ( now at -14 degrees C ) who threatening to head North to balmy Toronto ( now at sunny -10 degrees C ) to burnish suntans.
With air travel somewhat difficult they propose snowshoes as more suitable right now.
Starboard..............or whatever iceboaters say.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Thanks Mike, best wishes to all 27-ers, happy holidays and a splendid 2010. May you always be on starboard.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Our boats are elderly, but not yet ancient. Surely there is someone still alive and well who worked at the C&C plant and actually knows what they did with the new boats and their keelbolt torquing?
I've e-mailed South Shore Yachts on the subject, perhaps they have an answer.
Barry, you're probably correct!
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Jean, your experience with Neoga's keelbolts might support the theory that those readings will be lower with the boat on the cradle, and thus torquing should be done afloat.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
My experience is the same as Distant Thunder. My floorboards have lifted slightly upwards, and that is why the centre section is now relatively free. The change happened in an hour or so, from afloat prior to lifting, to sitting on the cradle. This I know as I was still winterizing and noticed the difference on going below when first ashore.
On the subject of torquing the keel bolts, it seems that the upward thrust on the bottom of the keel when the boat is in the cradle has the effect of pushing the full length of the keel bolts, with their washers amd nuts, upwards, thus reducing the normal downward pressure on the channels that connect them to the hull structure when the keel is hanging below the boat in the water. If this is correct, then the torque reading of the nuts should be lower when the boat is on the cradle, and only return to normal when afloat. Being very new to 'Smoke' I don't have the 'before' numbers, so any 'after' numbers would not help at this time.
Or am I all wrong?
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
When in the water my long/skinny floorboard centre section requires a bit if effort to lift it, but with the boat now on the cradle that board is easy to lift. That would indicate that the upward force on the bottom of the keel has slightly changed the hull shape. If I were to apply more pressure on the pads to lift the hull a bit I suspect that would not be good for the hull shape??? Does that mean that the torquing of the keel bolts should only be done afloat?
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Marcus, many thanks for that guidance, it is just what I was hoping to receive. " My new mistress " ( your words ) will look just splendid after some effort when the weather improves, but that does not mean I am a "type 2 owner ", ( again your words )......
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
It seems the choice of a polishing tool is between the Hitachi which is mentioned, or the Makita 9227C. Both 7 inch, both variable speed, both about C$250, and used ones hiding somewhere beyond my searching effort...Or is there a simpler solution? Rental maybe?
With time on our side perhaps some other owners with their perfectly beautiful hulls will share with us what they used to such good effect? Please. And what products they have used to obtain that mirror-like and hardy finish.
Thank you.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Yes Dave, new to C&C's as well, come from Etchells..........and indeed I bought her in September. See you soon, perhaps for a sip at BHYC where I am a (new) member.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Dave, I'll await the replies you receive as Smoke's finish is not as good as yours. I looked at your boat and trailer ( near new.....) yesterday and when you get the answer we will attack our hulls almost alongside each other in the Spring. I am about 60 metres West of you, nearest to and parallel to the water, covered in a blue tarp with the rudder wrapped in the excess tarp and bungee corded. 6 foot stepladder locked to cradle and SMOKE name in many places.
Awaiting help....
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Steve, did you see "DMoores" posting of 12.01 saying he has a MK V trailer for sale? Maybe you and he or his buyer could work something out?
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Greg, it may help if you go to "Black Arts" and see " New engine for Redeemed", which includes the engine you are dreaming about. Redeemed is a Mk V and he replaced a one-lung Yanmar, but it is a wonderful and illustrated article that could help you with your decision.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Again thanks for all your help with my rope clutch problem.
A quick update. I went to Holland Marine again and now have 4 Spinlock XAS0612 doubles. My Easylocks will have a new life in a friend's garage holding his family's bicycles near the ceiling..........good re-cycling ( sorry).
The bolts ( screws in some stores) are M6 countersunk, and unless someone shouts at me I will use the Phillips head units rather than the ones which have Allen key or slot heads.
I told Peter at Holland about the template spacing disagreeing with the actual bolt spacing and he was incredulous..........got out a measuring thing, checked it and said he would tell his supplier to "get the fact M'am, and get them right"
I suppose we should not be too amazed as they are made in a country which loves inches, feet, yards, miles, pints ( OK, that's acceptable), furlongs, acres, cubits, ounces, teaspoons, cups, in fact we love our 27's..........
Hopefully I'll meet you at 12:30 Newfoundland time tomorrow amidst the vines.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Pre John Harrison no doubt?
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
It still works by clicking submit, being told that was an error, using browser history and clicking "...............Forum" and eureka, I'm there.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
It seems the Forum clock is running about 5 hours 15 mins behind the sun?
Brent, I have "Smoke", Mk V 002, and she has intermediates. As Steve says, much smaller wire, and he will guide you on tensions with expert knowledge.
Cheers
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Thanks for that guidance. What Mark do you have please? I will study (again) the mounting area on my Mk V and be prepared.
Alan
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Hi Steve
Yes, guilty as charged..I'm Jamie's dad. He had a Dufour 36 at EYC, then kids arrived and the boat was idle so he sold it. Now those kids are 5 and 7 and Jamie and Lisa his wife are wanting to get back on the water.......
Thanks for the pressure from you and Jim W, !!!!!!.............fastest Mk V etc etc, how do I live up to that high bar?????
The spacing of the mounting bolts on the 'easylock' clutches is not the same as 'Spinlock' ones. Are your clutches replacements of the original (easylock) ones do you know? With simple access to the underside of the clutches and winches ( 4 in my case) I hope that it will mean only drilling two new holes for each double clutch. I'll now start a hunt for the Spinlock units as time is on my side......SMOKE comes out of the water tomorrow.
Thanks again and cheers
Alan
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Thanks Brent, I went to Holland Marine and spoke to Peter, and believe I will convert to Spinlock instead of persisting with the 'easylock' units.
Good Winter project under the cover............
Cheers
Alan
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
I have four double rope clutches on the coach roof ( 2 each side ), all are by " easylock ", and as Marcus from Carriden urges, they are staggered to make servicing them relatively easy. I suspect that they are all at the end of their lives as they require some wriggling to pursade them to lock on the line. So now I need to bring them back to life before we launch next year.
Does anyone else have this brand of clutch, and if yes then are the refurbishing kits offered by a Florida Company the answer? If possible I would prefer to stay with the "easylock" units.
Any help will be welcome. Thanks.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
Hi Jim
Got her in Midland , ON, at the end of August and she's now at BHYC. New boat and type of boat to me, but it seemed a challeng to preserve the show-boat/prototype of the Mk V. Just hope I can get her going as she is shown in the original brochure, where Ron Barr is driving her.!!!!!!!..( Ron is a BHYC member as I'm sure you know. )
Alan
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002
My boat ( hull 002 ) has a 6 inch diameter inspection port with a threaded cover on the fore- and-aft section port side immediately forward of the throne. If you remove the cover and your heavy clothing, sit facing the throne and reach in the hole with your right arm, you can turn the shut-off valve with some practice. It's better than diving under the V berth for me.
Alan of SMOKE 1984 Mk V 002