C&C 27 Association Forum

I have been a PHRF-LO handicapper for 20+ years, but a recent inquiry from a PHRF handicapper in Nova Scotia prompted me to review the information in US Sailing's PHRF handicap lookup page (https://www.ussailing.org/competition/o … ss-lookup/) for C&C 27s. No wonder the person who reached out to me was confused! US Sailing lists the following versions of C&C 27s:

C&C 27 V
C&C 27-1 IB
C&C 27-1 OB
C&C 27-1 TM
C&C 27-2 +915
C&C 27-2 < 914
C&C 27-3 IB
C&C 27-3 OB
C&C 27-3 SD
C&C 27-5

From the C&C 27 Class Association's perspective, there are 5 marks of the C&C 27, as outlined at https://www.cc27association.com/evolution.html (Marks 1-4) and https://www.cc27association.com/vchange.html (Mark 5). These are also defined in our Class Rules at https://www.cc27association.com/pdf/27rules.pdf. The Marks 1 through 4 were only produced with inboard engines; the Mark 5 was offered with an inboard or an outboard, and also in a shoal draft version.

PHRF Lake Ontario thus lists the following versions of C&C 27s:

C&C 27-1 IB
C&C 27-2
C&C 27-3
C&C 27-4
C&C 27-5
C&C 27-5 OB
C&C 27-5 SD

For what it's worth, the data in the PHRF-LO SP list makes it clear that the C&C 27-5 OB has a standard fin keel, and the C&C 27-5 SD has an inboard engine. There are also two "modified" C&C 27s in the PHRF-LO list, but neither is currently registered.

Reconciling the US Sailing designations with our (the Class Association and PHRF-LO) designations:
- what US Sailing calls a C&C 27-1 TM is what we refer to as a Mark 2.
- what US Sailing calls a C&C 27-2 < 914 is what we refer to as a Mark 3.
- what US Sailing calls a C&C 27-2 +915 is what we refer to as a Mark 4.
- what US Sailing calls a C&C 27 V, C&C 27-3, or C&C 27-5 is what we refer to as a Mark 5.

It would certainly be easier if we all used the same terminology. If anyone has any connections to those within US Sailing's PHRF community, I would be pleased to work with them to clean up this confusion.

For reference, see this mark-up of the US Sailing PHRF handicaps:

Anyone know of anyone parting out a C&C 27? While we have no immediate need for one, we might be interested in picking up a used mast as a spare for our fleet in Ottawa. Sadly, I'm sure there are more than a few C&C 27s heading to the dump these days, and it would be a shame to see a decent mast scrapped. A few years ago, we bought a mast from someone who's boat was scrap; it proved quite valuable later that same year when a boat in our fleet lost their mast in a collision. Thanks in advance.
Hugh Morrin
Blue Zulu
C&C 27 Mk III, #894
Nepean Sailing Club
www.nsc.ca/cc27
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About a dozen Ottawa area C&C 27s have participated in a bulk order for aluminum stanchion base plates. After years of loads on the stanchions, many boats develop gelcoat cracks underneath the stanchion bases, and in some cases this can puncture through the fibreglass, as shown at http://www.cc27association.com/fixes/various/source/stanchion_base_bad.html . Our solution was to install aluminum plates under the stanchion bases, as shown at http://www.cc27association.com/fixes/various/source/stanchion_baseplate.html . This is a very common mod to C&C 27s. The plates are made per the sketch posted at http://www.cc27association.com/pdf/stanchion_baseplates.pdf, and are suitable for the later model Mark 3s and Mark 4s that have the stanchion bases mounted to the toe rails. The larger plate shown in the sketch goes under the stanchion inboard of the toe rail; the smaller plate is just used as a spacer on the outside of the toe rail.

If anyone else is interested in ordering some of these plates, they may wish to contact Kevin Sheldrick at Precise Metafab, 613-831-1919. While supplies last, Kevin is selling these for $9.00 / set, plus HST and shipping via Canada Post. One “set” of plates is required for each stanchion. Six sets (the minimum order) are required for the three free standing stanchions on each side; if you want to do under the bow and stern pulpits that mount to the rail, you’ll need 12 sets. (We did under the free-standing stanchions at the beginning of 2012, but have decided to do under the pulpits before launching next year.) Refer to drawing HM-291013, which is the above referenced sketch.

Also, for anyone who has an older C&C 27 with deck mounted stanchions, another Ottawa area sailor has ordered 4” x 6” plates, 1/8” thick, with ½” radius on all four corners, for mounting under those stanchions. Such plates do not come pre-drilled, as the required hole location may vary from boat to boat. Such plates should also be available from Precise Metafab for the same price ($9.00 / plate; one plate per stanchion), based on a $50 minimum order. These plates might also be used, if necessary, for mounting underneath the aft-most stern pulpit supports, which do not mount to the rail. Refer to drawing HM-101113.

When installing our the plates under our rail mounted stanchions, we used a little 4200 sealant/adhesive under the plate, and anchored the plate with two #8 x 1” roundhead stainless steel screws, as shown in the above referenced photo. The deck is not cored in this area. On the underside, you’ll want to use large fender washers or small sections of aluminum plate to distribute the load underneath the stanchion bolts, though on our Mark 3, the washers and backing plates that were previously (originally?) installed were generally adequate.
Hugh Morrin
Blue Zulu
C&C 27 Mk III, #894
Nepean Sailing Club
www.nsc.ca/cc27

I was recently inspired by a friend who created a YouTube video* of the Nepean One-Design regatta held here in Ottawa. Dave graciously shared his video with me, and that clip (and his comments) formed the basis of this video which highlights the sailing opportunities here on the Ottawa River. Check it out at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSUO34A8CsA. (Available in 1080p HD for those with high speed connections.)

In addition to the video of this year's NOD, which was also the Ontario C&C 27 Championships, the video highlights some of the cruising opportunities in Ottawa, and includes a selection of photos of our popular raft-ups. Hope you enjoy it.

For future easy reference, there is a link to this video from www.nsc.ca/cc27 .

Hugh

* Dave Bradly's original video of the NOD is available at http://youtu.be/VfjCbzh9prg . Many thanks to Dave for sharing his video.

Hugh Morrin
Blue Zulu
C&C 27 Mk III, #894
Nepean Sailing Club
www.nsc.ca/cc27
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Has anyone got experience with a main made from hard coated Dacron? Our sailmaker is recommending such a material, but the downside is that it would require rolling the main. That, in turn would require letting the luff slides fall out of the mast each time the main was lowered. I'm curious if anyone rolls their main on a regular basis, and if so, do you find it to be much of a hassle?

Thanks.
Hugh Morrin
Blue Zulu
C&C 27 Mk III, #894
Nepean Sailing Club
www.nsc.ca/cc27
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