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What's the length of your boom? Also the measurement from the front of the mast to the clew of the main when furled on the boom?
Steve Reid
I have a red one. If your interested email me at srsailatrogersdotcom.
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working MkV #75
Chuck
I got two (bad words that is) massive and heavy.
Steve Reid
Not sure where you are located, so it's difficult to recommend where you can go to get the compass repaired.
But given that most new compasses cost around $175.00 to $200.00 it's probably not worth repairing it.
Last time I got a compass repaired it was some guy who had a little hole in the wall shop up around York University on Keele St in Toronto. Last time I went to find him he was gone, business closed, probably because his minimum was $80.00 plus parts most people just decided to get a new instrument.
Why not measure the size of the hole in your bulkhead and find a suitable replacement?
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working,MkV #75
Blue Seas makes a wide variety of replacement and OEM Electrical panels. Go to your local Marine Chandlery (not worst marine) they should have a catalogue you you should be able to find what you should be able to find what your looking for.
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working MkV #75
Martin:
3/8 spectra may well be all that is needed from a strength standpoint, but you crew may not be really happy having to hold onto a sheet or haylard of that diamiter.
From my perspective you need to look at what each piece of line is doing, how and who is handeling it and how often is it used.
For example Genoa sheets and haylards should be made of line that has no or verry minimal stretch.. On the other hand Spinnaker halyards and pole down hauls need to have some give to absorb shock so the spinnaker doesn't get jumpy in lumpy conditions.
One of the most knolagable people I know is Cam Copland at Fogh Marine, give him a call or stop by and pick his brain on size and type of materials.
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working MkV #75
Martin
Still Knot Working has 4 Barrient #10's on the cabin top, while it's usefull from time to time we seldome use more than one at a time. As Alan points out if you have good rope clutches for all of the line that lead aft from the mast your in pretty good shape. The winches on the cabin top don't provide the best lead angle for anything coming from the cockpit, other than a spinn sheet and if you use ratchet blocks for the spinn sheets the 10's are adaquately sized.
I've toyed with the idea of putting a small self tailing winch in place of one of the port (the side my primary genoa haylard is on) so that we could be more proactive in adjusting haylard tension for upwind racing, especially on days of varying wind.
Hope you come to the Meet & Greet you could get some direct answers to this and a lot of your other questions.
Steve
What Mark of 27 do you have?
Can you sen a picture?
Steve Reid
Time to bump this to the top of the page.
Don't kone who all is planning on attending but we're hoping to see quite a few of you.
This is not just about racing we want to get as many Mark V owners out as we can. We hope it will be a perfect time for people to meet, get to know each other face to face, swap stories or just pass along info on how to's on our boats.
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working Mk V #75
You don't have to be a racer to attend this meeting it's for All Mark V Owners.
It will be a Great Opportunity for people to meet face to face, ask some of the questions you might have about How To do whatever on or with your Mark V and just plain socialise.
And we've got some neat draw prizes.
Hope to see you there!!!
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working MkV #75
Welcome Aboard Martin!
You are hereby invited to come to the Mk V Meet & Greet, Nov 22 at Etobicoke YC, it's not just for racers but all Mk V Owners. It will give you a chance to meet fellow owners face to face, get some direct contact coordinates and start gleening the ins and outs of our great boats. There are also some nifty draw prizes, you might end up a winner.
Please do your best to make it out.
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working Mk V #75
Brent:
The difference is likely, as i stated in my previous post, a weight measuring device and a "Certified Load Cell" the former gives you a relative weight the latter gives you an accurate weight.
To give you an example, when Still Knot Working was weighed 3 weeks ago for IRC, using a certified load cell she weighed 6110 lbs. Today at haul out at EYC the crane registered 6260 lbs and that was without the mast, boom or spinnaker pole. Now the interesting tid bit, I also managed to get the crane weight for Bluenote II a Mark III. Now it's not fair to tell a ladies weight but it was more that 100 lbs but less than 250 lbs heavier than SKW.
Brent:
was your boat weighed with the mast stepped or was the mast off the boat?
Alan & Brent one of the reasons that official weighings are done with "certified" load cells is that unlike a built in weigh measuring device on a crane a certified load cell has been checked and calibrated to give a true weight through it's entire weight measuring range. At our club we use a mobile crane at haulout, I've asked the operator over several haul outs what he was registering for the weight of my boat and the range has been anywhere from 5325 to 5780 lbs. (without mast, boom, running rigging etc. on the boat).
So we can easily see that that's not accurate, it varies from crane to crane.
As far as the variance from hull to hull on the build of a mid 80's production boat it's not difficult to imagine a wide range of weights. To their credit C&C tried to make the Mark V's consistant, they were the first boats C&C built where they precut all of the glass fiber and allocated a set amount of resin per boat. that said where they possibly went off astray was that when the liners for deck and hull were inserted they were reported to have shoveled in a lot of bonding putty, referred to as "cow pies" and that stuff was not controlled, some boats got a lot some got less.
I'm going to try, at our haul out (tomorrow) to get the weights on some of the other Mark V's and some of the III's at EYC and compare to what the crane comes up with for SKW. Using SKW & Distant Thunder's official weights and approximating for the lack of mast, boom & rigging we might be able to get closer to an understanding of boat weights.
Steve Reid
Still K not Working MkV #75
Henry it's probably an Edson, check to see if there is amakers name on it somewhere, sometimes on the nut that holds the wheel onto the shaft. If it's Edson check their web site or contact them to see who services their stuff locally. By the way the original designer of the boat is Rob Ball and he currently wi=orks for Edson.
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working, Mk V #75
Steve
I have always stored my boat with the mast down. In fact I would never even consider putting it away with the stick up.
Several reasons why I feel so strongly about it;
-Taking the mast down gives me an opportunity to inspect all of the fittings/connections for wear and I can inspect all of the standing rigging terminals.
-We get some pretty strong winds over the winter and all that extra load on the hull, in it's cradle can't be good. Not to mention all of the shakeing and vibration caused by the rig in those winds.
-Leaving the rig tensioned just adds to the stress on the hull, again which is not in it's natural element but in it's cradle.
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working, Mk V 375
Alan:
I didn't have to empty the tank on SKW it was almost empty (less than 5 litres) and the measurer agreed that it was insignificant. At any rate the tank on the Mark V is stated at 45.4 litres which is 11.98 US Gallons. Distant Thunder was weighed with her tank full and that's the volume that was used to calculate the weight of fuel.
As to your question of why IRC? My reasons were twofold. First I have for a number of years been curious about the actual weight of the boat and this was one way to do that. Secondly the turnout in PHRF at the regattas has been getting less and less every year and the numbers in IRC have been increasing, so it became clear to me that if I want to keep racing I need an IRC Certificate.
Time will tell whether IRC or PHRF is the more equitable rating system.
Steve
Alan:
John Crawley has a certified load cell, that was used with slings and spreader bars to lift the boats, the weight of the slings and spreaders was recorded before and after each lift and that was deducted from the lift weight of the boats.
The weighing was done at CC Boat Works in the port area of Toronto Harbour, it was all part of getting an IRC Measurement Certificate for my boat (don't know if Jim is also going to get one) there were 7 boats in total weighed, mine and Jims were the only 27's.
IRC requires the boats to be empty, tanks dry (if the fuel tank has any in it, it must be full and the capacity must be known so the weight of fuel can be deducted)all sails, sheets etc. must be off the boat, all safety gear and anchors must be removed including fire extinguishers. All accomodation materials that would be on board while racing are to be on the boat. Bilge must be dry.
When I removed all the gear the day before and moved it to my car I would estimate that the total weight including sails would be around 150 - 200 lbs.
I have long suspected that the Mark V's weighed a lot more that people thought or than what C&C claimed in the brochures. now I know.
It would be interesting to know how much the other versions of the 27 weigh.
Steve
Well Alan, since you asked, this past weekend we weighed Still Knot Working and Distant Thunder (hull numbers 75 & 69 respectively), using the requirements for IRC the boats were empty, no gear, no sails, no rigging no safety equipment. Prior to the weigh in we had found an old MORC certificate for Distant Thunder and it listed the weight as 5900 lbs.
Still Knot Working weighed in at a mature weight of 6,111 lbs, her younger sister Distant Thunder came in a little lighter, I'll leave it to Jim to disclose the exact weight because I didn't get to read the scale when DT was hanging on it.
Steve Reid
And if we all shopped at WalMart, because they sell it for less, the local guy on the corner or down the street wold go out of business.
The real difference is the little gut on the corner or down the street cares about YOU and YOUR Business and will service you. To Walmart you are just a number and they send you to the manufacturer for service. I
think Alen has the right approach.
Steve
And if we all shopped at WalMart, because they sell it for less, the local guy on the corner or down the street wold go out of business.
The real difference is the little gut on the corner or down the street cares about YOU and YOUR Business and will service you. To Walmart you are just a number and they send you to the manufacturer for service. I
think Alen has the right approach.
Steve
Colin:
The boats didn't come with a 12v outlet, unless it was ordered from the factory by the original buyer. You can pick up aftermarket 12v Outlets from most Marine Supply stores or Automotive Supply outlets.
You can obtain single or multiple outlets, they can be mounted wherever you like on the boat and wired into the boats 12v system.
On my boat I have a dual outlet, it is located in the cabin under the bridge deck and wired into the main 12v panel to the cabin light master switch.
If you are going to install one for your autopilot you will need to find one that is water proof or you could install it inside the seat locker in the cockpit and have a power cord long enough to reach the plug.
Steve Reid
Lawrence:
You should never have sewage backing up into the bowel. Even if your holding tank was compleatly full (not a good thing to have happen) any excess should come out through the vent (on the port side of the hull). If you are getting back pressure on the discharge hose from the toilet to the tank then you most likely have a blocked vent line.
Steve Reid
Lawrence:
Don't know how your boat is set up as far as the main tack attachment is concerned, but on my boat the main tack attached to a tab on the goose neck casting with a long "D" Shackle. We don't remove the main each day, it's flaked on the boom and covered with a cover. The only time we remove the sail is in the fall when the boat is laid up for the winter.
Steve Reid
Christine:
Still Knot Working is registered. See you there.
Steve
There is another solution to the hole spacing issue. Harken makes a slotted traveller track, it uses sliding nuts that allow you to fit any hole spacing. Check out the Harken catalogue pages 98 P/N 2721 or pg. 104 P/N 27HB.
Steve Reid
Still Knot Working MkV #75