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Interesting -- (resurrecting an old thread here)
We had a crack on the aft face of the upper part of the rudder, along the centre. I thought it might be stress crack so I shaved the gelcoat off of that face. Turned out that the top part of our rudder is laminated marine ply; it was not a stress crack, and I had to fix it then. I would guess that the interior of the blade is also (mostly) plywood as well.
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Hi, I believe the cabins are the same size and shape so high chance of success for the dodger. The Mk 3 is about 8 inches longer than the Mk 2, but that's not much for a cover. It may be a touch long, but that's all. Plus maybe it's shrunk a bit since new.
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I'm surprised that the outboard rudder boats don't use the same entire system as stern drives/outboard runabouts, with the Teleflex rotor behind the dash connected to the standard push-pull cable right from the wheel to the rudder.
We have a tiller and have noticed the slop in the pins (pintles and gudgeons) so even if your cable were perfect you'd still likely have some play at that point.
Chuck
Chuck,
We've had our MK V since 2005 and have enjoyed the boat immensely. We are on a fairly small lake in Texas and it is the right size for this lake. One question; what type and size motor do you have?
Hi Gary,
We have the Yanmar 1GM. At 8hp it's pretty minimal, but our waters are fairly sheltered so we're OK. Most of the Mk I-IV have an A4 or 2GM.
Cheers,
Chuck
Hi Mark,
The 30 Mk 2 is a bit of a unicorn, in Canada at least. Not that common and commanded a good price (pre-pandemic; likely stratospheric now). Pretty boat IMHO, too.
We have a 27 Mk V. It's a different boat than the Mk I-IV, but still as solid. The design and ergonomics are updated but it's still an 80s boat. V-berth and forward cabin are a little tighter but the main cabin seems roomier (it's not, but the fold-up saloon table and quarter berth make it seem that way). Finish is better as well, trim and details. As a 35 year old boat a lot comes down to how well it was maintained and we were fortunate to fins a really nice boat in excellent shape for a good price 3 years ago.
There are around 40 Mk I-IVs at our club, and there's one-design racing that draws a big crowd. Still I transitioned from racing (I had a Kirby 25) to cruising (mostly day sailing) and I really like the Mk V for that. (We still race white-sail but I've changed my approach to sailing and I'm enjoying it more now.)
The older boats just put their rails down and go when the wind comes up. The Mk V is a smaller boat, and with the outboard rudder may not have the rudder power that a III or IV has, but it's still comfortable in anything we've been out in. Love to sail it.
I haven't seen any real weak spots that aren't either common to other boats of that vintage or that haven't been mentioned here already.
Cheers,
Chuck
We've used Precision a few times. We bought a 150 and main for our Redline 25 about three years ago then the 150 and main for the 27 one year ago. Went for the tri-radial dacron cuts in both cases, although price went up significantly for the last set (versus an earlier quote for the 27). We don't use the baby stay (haven't seen the mast pump in the two seasons we've owned her).
You'll measure everything 10 times to make sure you've got it right. (I was scratching my head for a while until I realized that our boom had been raised by a foot to clear the bimini.) You know what they say, measure twice, cut once...
Precision was awesome to deal with through the ordering and configuration process the first time, and okay the second time. The sails were perfect and as-ordered both times and I'd use them again.
We race white sail only, and some long-distance (upriver and back, timed). We like cruising more now, so these sails are right for us.
Good luck with this!
5200 remover spray is a thing? I thought 4200 was for bedding and 5200 was forever...
Chuck
Thanks, peace, patience and good will!
Thanks also to David for running this for years.
Cheers,
Chuck, MkV, Chivas and Champagne, NSC, Ottawa
Bought!
Chivas has new owners but is floating in her same berth at NSC. She's in lovely shape and we're still finding all the gear stored in the boat (it's springtime, after all).
Thanks to Steve for keeping her so clean, and to the forum for all the great information over the years.
Now if anyone is interested in a Redline 25 on a trailer in good condition, please contact me!
Chuck
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
I will send the link directly, but for everyone's benefit, here's the youtube link of Hugh Morrin and company on Blue Zulu at the 2012 NOD -- check the video starting about 4:15 in.
http://youtu.be/VfjCbzh9prg
Cheers
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
Peter, how much battery capacity do you have? I see the "FLA" refers to flooded lead acid (deep cycle) type -- the site shows AGM and Li type... Assume you have 4 batteries, of 205 amp-hours each -- is that right?
Thanks
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
My bro pulled a mid-80s Mitsubishi out of his boat last year and replaced with a new one (both from Vetus Marine). He was on the fence about having the old one rebuilt (by a diesel shop in Kingston -- he's in Belleville) but in the end the new engine made more sense (sailing season is short!). (The old one may still be for sale if you're interested -- I think I posted it here last year or so, not that you want another engine in need of a rebuild.) Boat show specials are the way to go. Come spring it's high season, and you may not see an engine for a few months...
Cheers
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
You meant to say preferably Kevlar / aramid, with luff tape, right?
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Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
Hello Mike,
You are my neighbour! (I am in C-56.) Welcome!
Peter the Mobile Mechanic is very busy at NSC and has a good reputation (although I have never had him do work for me). If you have trouble finding his number, call Julie or Gene in the office and they can help you reach him.
Cheers
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
Ah, got it. I understand what and why it is now.
Agree, if its that bad, you need to fix it up before it fails while underway.
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
Steel? Really? Is this common?
If you had said the plywood is rotting, OK, I'd buy that, but I'm surprised if it's regular steel.
Anyhow if it's weak, the loads will crack the cockpit sole. Maybe a replacement is due soon. Aluminum works well, you could use stainless (but that may be overkill), plywood is fine if you seal it with epoxy -- completely, including the holes that you drill in it, or G10 board is awesome, too.
Cheers,
Chuck
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
Are you asking for an endorsement for Garhauer stuff?
1) It's art.
2) It's inexpensive.
3) It's strong.
Never heard a bad word about Garhauer.
Cheers
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
The stereotypical politeness falls away pretty quickly when we go into the corner after the puck...
The Corvette is a very pretty boat. The things that make her a little less efficient (i.e., overhang, narrower beam) are to blame for that. Bottom line: check the inventory (David is quite right) and the local fleet. Then sail them both.
Cheers
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
I was 4 when we took delivery of our Corvette from Morch's in Belleville. Fortunately, since that was a very long time ago, I've had an opportunity to look at one close-up recently.
The Corvette has a full keel and shoal draft (3'-0" board-up). We once put into Northport (between Deseronto and Belleville) in a marsh to wait out a blow. In zero wind conditions, the centreboard clunks back and forth. It also had a tendency to wipe-out because the rudder loses effectiveness.
It came with a 180% genoa, and we had a screecher (a huge genoa) that had a few hanks down the luff -- you could fly it on a close reach (like a code zero) or clip it onto the forestay if you wanted to go closer. The roller reefing boom left a lot to be desired. It also had 2 stopper cars on a traveller track aft of the helmsman and the tiller swept the cockpit, but that's the way they were.
A C&C 30 is a little more modern, with the fin keel and spade rudder, draws a little more water, but still no quarter berth (same as a 27). Very similar inside. Much the same generation, but a little beamier maybe.
It feels a little older than the 27 or 30, but there's no magic difference in the layout.
So, David is right -- depends on the condition of the boat, and the local fleet and waters. I'm not so sure about inventory as you can find used sails, and if you ever race they need replacing periodically anyhow, but it's certainly true for the gear you want on the boat. It had better come with the furler, bimini, dodger and wheel steering if that's what you want, because you can't afford to buy them and put them on separately!
Cheers
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
Mine gets opaque. I don't have a cover so the plastic takes the brunt of the UV over the summer.
Polishing compound and a drill-mounted polishing wheel gets me through another summer.
Cheers,
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
Oh, yeah -- don't forget "The Godforsaken Sea" by Derek Lundy. I also liked "The Longest Race" by Hal Roth, about the first BOC Challenge in about 1982 (predates the Vendée Globe). Also, try this: Francis Chichester (1967). "Gipsy Moth Circles the World".
Cheers
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
The Shipping News has always been a favourite of mine, Ken -- but it took the second read to really get all the dark undertones. Well written in any case.
I'll be checking the books on the shelf at the cottage this spring. Let you know if I see anything interesting!
Cheers
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
Bang-on.
Word of warning: don't approach a Stuart Walker book without a glass of scotch.
Seriously, there should be warning labels on those books.
If you can get through it, though, he's forgotten far more than most of us will ever know about sailing.
Cheers,
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
Geez, for $1000 I might let my copy go to finance my sailing!
YDE was one of those books I first saw at Chapters. It kept calling to me and I bought it online about a decade ago. It's awesome and relatively up to date -- no, it doesn't talk much about sportboats and chines but most of the other design books I have talk about 6 metres with attached rudders as being modern. It's an awesome book, Doug -- it remains a touchstone for me.
For pure design approach and fundamentals there's "Skeene's Elements of Yacht Design". An updated version of that is "Principles of Yacht Design" by Lars Larsson and Rolf Eliasson. More modern with good working examples. I also have Ted Brewer's book "Understanding Boat Design" but it's older, and not as comprehensive. Bob Perry's book "Yacht Design According to Perry" is very interesting as well, partly because it's peppered with fun stories. (Bob is pretty accessible over at SA, which makes the book and the stories even more "real" for me.) I have one or two more but these are the best design books.
The rest of my library is racing and trim books. Ottawa Public Library has most of the Stuart Walker books on trim and tactics. Dry as toast but the man is smart and has won a lot of regattas, so worthwhile trying to read them. One of my favourites (which I bought and gave to my crew, including Bjarki if he's reading this -- you better be reading it and getting ready for spring, buddy!) is "Getting Started in Sailboat Racing" by Adam Cort and Richard Stearns. I also have Gary Jobson's Championship Sailing (he has written a number of racing books -- this one is a little preachy here and there, but not bad overall).
I also have the "The New Book of Sail Trim" which is full of SAIL magazine articles, a few of which have been helpful.
There ya go. My library, for what it's worth!
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa
[Given this opening, I cannot resist relating a Stuart Walker anecdote from a talk he gave at our club. According to Walker, he was sailing in a Type 42 moderately assymetric oscillating breeze, slightly modified by a Type "C" shoreline rising with an increasing gradient to the land and a ploughed field to leeward of the right side of the course. Slight complications were introduced by the presence of a small cumulo-nimbus cloud over the rhumb line and a tractor in the field, but it was as clear as day that the right side was the logical choice (I am fudging this, of course, but fans of Dr. Walker will recognize the drift).
Nevertheless, Buddy Melges took the left side of the last beat to cross half-a-dozen boatlengths, to win the race and series. Walker approached him after the race and asked why, in the presence of a Type 42 moderately assymetric oscillating breeze, etc., he had overridden the clear signal for the right and gone up the left.
Buddy shrugged, transferred a stalk of grass to the other side of his mouth and said, "Dunno. Guess it felt better." You could see the steam coming out of Walker's ears as he remembered the moment, but he shrugged and said something that, while mildly disparaging of his own total reliance on logic, also suggested that in an ideal world, logic would rule absolutely and people like Buddy would be back home digging potatoes. - Admin]
For the past few years, everything seems to be flowing through the PMO anyhow. Probably some dredging needs to happen there as well.
Cheers
Chuck Lanning
NSC, Ottawa